No Smoking

**Bob Pallas** · 03-12-2010, 07:52 PM

Actually, we have just closed the pub that we ran and these local pubs closing have nothing whatsoever to do with the smoking ban. We are in a recession where rates, rents, insurance rates, energy, meat, vegetables and beer have all shot up in price. Customers can get a meal for two with a bottle of wine for £10 from M&S. This coupled with the addictions for soaps and realality shows keep people at home. All of our smoking customers stayed with us and simply went outside for a fag! Do not confuse the global recession with the smoking ban. One real thing that smoking outside of licensed premises does impact upon is the level of crime. Those under the influence of alcohol staggering around outside smoking and bumping into each other often results in a rise in violent crime!!!!!

**Jaycee 61** · 03-20-2010, 08:25 PM

It`s commom knowledge that smoking is dirty, filthy smelly habit and a killer to boot. Why should I be forced to enhale smoke that`s been down to someone`s tar ridden lungs and back again. Where`s my rights.

**webby** · 03-20-2010, 09:35 PM

You have every right to go somewhere else. There are bars and restaurants here that do not allow smoking. Go there and leave us addicts in peace.

**Warrior** · 03-21-2010, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by webby

You have every right to go somewhere else. There are bars and restaurants here that do not allow smoking. Go there and leave us addicts in peace.

Quite right Webby, at the moment we have a choice whether to go to a smoking bar or non-smoking establishment, what will these clean air Hitlers do when alcohol is also banned - it's on the way................

**Jaycee 61** · 03-21-2010, 09:27 AM

Clean air Hitlers has nothing to do with it. If you don`t give two monkeys about your health ( My father and uncle both died of lung cancer caused through smoking when they were in their late fifties ) and hygiene, then have some respect for people who do.

**bill & cath** · 03-21-2010, 09:31 AM

And you have respect for people who choose to smoke. If you dont like it stay out of bars where its allowed.

**Warrior** · 03-21-2010, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Jaycee 61

Clean air Hitlers has nothing to do with it. If you don`t give two monkeys about your health ( My father and uncle both died of lung cancer caused through smoking when they were in their late fifties ) and hygiene, then have some respect for people who do.

It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE! If you let politicians erode all our freedoms where will it end ?
If you don't like smoking stay away from smokers - it's simple - or is that too complex an idea for you.
You can simply patronise non-smoking establishments - you know the ones, cold, quiet, empty Derby & Joan type places.
If everyone stops smoking it's a loss to the UK exchequer of Ten Billion pounds plus per annum - it only costs five billion to treat smoking related illnesses - do you really want to make up the difference ?
(I don't know the figures for Spain but I would imagine the income is higher)

**Jaycee 61** · 03-21-2010, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Warrior

It's all about FREEDOM OF CHOICE! If you let politicians erode all our freedoms where will it end ?
If you don't like smoking stay away from smokers - it's simple - or is that too complex an idea for you.
You can simply patronise non-smoking establishments - you know the ones, cold, quiet, empty Derby & Joan type places.
If everyone stops smoking it's a loss to the UK exchequer of Ten Billion pounds plus per annum - it only costs five billion to treat smoking related illnesses - do you really want to make up the difference ?
(I don't know the figures for Spain but I would imagine the income is higher)

I can`t believe you said that !!! I do patronise non-smoking establishments and yes I agree some might not be as full as expected because of the economic climate, but they`re far from being `cold Derby and Joan `places. I`ve also patronised cold, quiet empty smoking establishments. My wife smokes you see.

Anyway from June all this will be purely academic.

**Warrior** · 03-21-2010, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jaycee 61

I can`t believe you said that !!! I do patronise non-smoking establishments and yes I agree some might not be as full as expected because of the economic climate, but they`re far from being `cold Derby and Joan `places. I`ve also patronised cold, quiet empty smoking establishments. My wife smokes you see.

Anyway from June all this will be purely academic.

Oh! believe, believe............. Hallelujah!!!!
The Spanish will ignore the ban as they have in the past, come June or whenever, they're not so easily pushed around as the apathetic law-fearing Brits.